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  Will the Society come up with new prophecy to cover the lack of growth now?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  was following mary's thread on the wt study of the annual report - what a hoot!.

  in follow-up; for years we have heard that the org's growth was 'proof' of the 'truth'.

  do you think the org will come up with some obsure scriptural/prophetic understanding to explain the reduced zeal for the 'kingdom' now?

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  bttt
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  Letter from Bethel

  by observer in

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  dear brothers, .

  almost hundred years ago first publishers representing the truth of bible came to west coast of finland and that marked the beginning of emphatic preaching of good news of kingdom in this country.

  first and second generation of publishers did meritoriously their part in that work.

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  Reasons for that have been deliberated much.

  Two reasons for this statement IMHO;

  1- An underlying fear that the organization is in trouble.

  2- Brothers, don't bother to think about it too hard individually - we will direct your thinking here and get you back on track.

  Jeff
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  Will the Society come up with new prophecy to cover the lack of growth now?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was following mary's thread on the wt study of the annual report - what a hoot!.

  in follow-up; for years we have heard that the org's growth was 'proof' of the 'truth'.

  do you think the org will come up with some obsure scriptural/prophetic understanding to explain the reduced zeal for the 'kingdom' now?

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  AK - Jeff

  Elsewhere -

  That prophecy may be seeing actual fulfillment in the decline or the org [that is it is a rotten tree] - do you mean they will try to apply this to the slowing growth of the organization, as in the 'sifting' of the fruitage?

  Jeff
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  YESTERDAY'S WT STUDY

  by Mary in

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  oh lordy, at yesterday's botchtower study, paragraph 17 (i think) asked what we personally found "encouraging" about the 2004 stats that are listed by country in the wt.

  anyway, someone finally put up their hand and remarked about how wonderful it was to see that ethiopia had a 5% increase......ya, i guess if you're starving to death, who wouldn't want to hear that paradise is right around the corner.

  one bro put up his hand and actually mentioned the fact that there was 0% increase in virtually all the industrialized nations, but that we "shouldn't let that discourage us".

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  One would think that this comment shows that this individual KNOWS it's a lot of BS but is very loyal anyway. Whose faith is stronger? The 3rd worldling who believes it all because he has no access to real information, or the guy at the hall who admits that abundant knowledge leads to attrition and yet stays and goes through the motions anyway? Downright scary.

  Wiegel - good point!

  In the witness mind there are two sorts of 'knowledge' - the one that brings everlasting life, and is supplied thru the FDS - and 'worldly' knowledge, the kind that trips one up and sends you into the arms of Satan. I think that distinction is of issue here as the witness mind tried to absorb how they could see 0% growth. In his mind it is not knowledge of reality that is creating the problem with growth - the problem is that Satan's type of knowledge is so prevalant here in developed areas that the witness 'knowledge' is being thwarted.

  You are right - that sort of thinking is scary indeed.

  Jeff
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  The future of an assembly hall

  by ChileanRick in

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  here in santiago of chile, we have a district convention hall, called "el trebol".

  its a very big place, and 10.000 people can be sat down in a comfort place for attending the talks and spending the time during the conventions.

  why am i talking about this?

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  Can you imagine 1.000 people every weekend, with their cars, not buying in the local stores, making too much noise with the loudspeakers in a sector where the people like to be in bed until late? Of course the people is tired to have a hall too near to their houses, with the JW disturbing their daily activities.

  CR

  Does this mean that the Assembly Hall is an outdoor type with open seating - is that how the neighbors here the loudspeakers? Just curious.

  Jeff
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  Will the Society come up with new prophecy to cover the lack of growth now?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  was following mary's thread on the wt study of the annual report - what a hoot!.

  in follow-up; for years we have heard that the org's growth was 'proof' of the 'truth'.

  do you think the org will come up with some obsure scriptural/prophetic understanding to explain the reduced zeal for the 'kingdom' now?

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  AK - Jeff

  Was following Mary's thread on the Wt study of the annual report - what a hoot!

  In follow-up; For years we have heard that the org's growth was 'proof' of the 'truth'. Do you think the org will come up with some obsure scriptural/prophetic understanding to explain the reduced zeal for the 'kingdom' now? Somehow showing that this failure to grow is scriptural and marking the end as imminent?

  Jeff
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  You know you're a JW when....

  by Preston in

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  you know that d.c. isn?t the capital where the president of the united states lives .

  a pioneer isn?t an 1800?s historical figure who traveled the west.

  the majority of books in your parent?s bookshelf have years on them.

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  ..you know every house on every street even with your eyes closed

  ..your parties are called 'get togethers'

  ..you are seen at 4 PM on Sunday in a local restuarant with your bookbag you brought in by accident

  .. you watch "The 10 Commandments" to see what errors are made in the script

  .. the Posiedon Adventure seems prophetic of the tribulation to you

  .. your family vacations include a tour of a large printing facilty in Brooklyn

  .. you have twelve highlighters in your desk

  .. you have no idea in what month Mother's day or Father's day is celebrated

  Jeff
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  The Watchtower Saw It Coming!

  by Englishman in

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  this article made me smile:.

  march 15, 1986.. allow no place for the devil!.

  "ephesians 4:26, 27.. a vicious wild beast is on the prowl.

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  Two words: Ad. Hominem.
  

  SNG

  Dang it, SNG. You took my words. And euphemism you hit it on the head too - no logical arguments to defend - just attack the individual for thinking. I forgot this article - with the surging tide of 'apostasy' the borg might need to reprint this one soon...this time with a major focus on the 'internet' ... Jeff
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  Losing faith in the organization

  by parakete in

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  i have been a jw for more than 20 years, but during these past few years i have come to realize that some of the elders and regular publishers are very hypocritical and insensitive.

  they have done things that really disgust me.

  tare so arrogant that they cannot take any criticism form you.

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  parakete

  Welcome! Millions have come to the same conclusions over the years. Many have left. Wifey and I left after a lifetime in the organization, just last year. The lack of true love and consideration was a haulmark that we keyed on also.

  First thing we did when we saw the cracks was to order the book Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz - a former member of the Governing Body. It might help you also.

  Welcome, and we look forward to seeing you here often.

  Jeff
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  How many years in how many out?

  by rekless in

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  in 30 out 4

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  43 yrs in [30 of them bsptized adult]

  2.5 out